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Jon Stewart takes on Tucker Carlson

Jon Stewart takes on Tucker Carlson

Postby Kerry on Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:32 pm

From Salon.com -

Jon Stewart: Crossfire "hurting America"

"I think you're a lot more fun on your show," said Tucker Carlson to "Crossfire" guest Jon Stewart this afternoon. "And I think you're as much of a dick on your show as on any other," Stewart shot back. It wasn't the faux avuncularity we've come to expect from Stewart on "The Daily Show" but there, of course, he's playing a role. Here he was himself -- and he wasn't buying any of it.

From the moment Stewart sat down he made no secret of how repugnant he found the show. In fact, he said to Carlson and co-host Paul Begala that he had been so hard on the show he felt it was his duty to come on and say to their faces what he has said to friends and in interviews. What he said was that their show was "hurting America," and he was being only slightly hyperbolic. Stewart told them that when America needed journalists to be journalists they had instead chosen to present theater.

Carlson, trying to affect an air of dry amusement that a comedian would presume to lecture him, important pundit that he is, but looking as if his bow-tie were about to start spinning, could barely contain his outrage. In an absolutely mind-boggling moment, Carlson tried to counter Stewart's criticism by pointing out that during John Kerry's recent appearance on "The Daily Show," Stewart asked the candidate softball questions. "If you want to measure yourself against a comedy show," Stewart said, "be my guest."

Paul Begala tried to put a more conciliatory face on things by pointing out that theirs was a "debate" show. Stewart was having none of it. "I would love to see a real debate show," he said. And went on to tell them that instead of holding politicians' feet to the fire by asking tough question, "you're part of their strategy. You're partisan -- what's the word? -- uh, hacks."

It's almost a cliche by now to talk about "The Daily Show" being more trusted than real newscasts, but Stewart showed why. He pointed out to Carlson that he had asked Kerry if he really were in Cambodia but "I don't care," and when Carlson asked him what he thought about the "Bill O'Reilly vibrator flap," Stewart said, "I don't." It was as concise a demonstration of the triviality of the media as you could hope for.

"I thought you were going to be funny," Carlson said towards the end of the interview. Stewart responded, "No, I'm not going to be your monkey." And that was what was so bracing.

Stewart's "Crossfire" appearance is going to generate talk about how prickly he was, how he wasn't "nice" like he is on "The Daily Show." But prickliness is just what was needed. If you've built your reputation as a satirist pointing out how the media falls down on the job, you're not going to make yourself a part of their charade.

I've heard people talk about "The Daily Show" as an oasis of sanity, a public service. I couldn't agree more. Stewart's appearance on "Crossfire" was another public service. He went on and acted as if the show's purpose really was to confront tough issues, instead of being the political equivalent of pro wrestling. Given a chance to say absolutely what he thought, Stewart took it. He accomplished what almost never happens on television anymore: he made the dots come alive.

-- Charles Taylor


I love John Stewart.
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Postby sierradave on Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:55 pm

That's AWESOME. Is there anyway to access it on streaming video?
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Postby Diane on Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:32 pm

"At this point, the length of this conversation is way out of proportion to my interest in it." - Dan Rydell, Sportsnight
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Postby Alex on Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:36 am

BitTorrent files (WMV and AVI) are available here...downloading now. 8)
http://bitflood.org:8080/?file=791b2f5d ... 1e73964185
and
http://dv.open4all.info/?postid=84

Thanks, Kerry!!
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Postby Diane on Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:45 am

any chance you can define 'here'?
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Postby Alex on Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:54 am

BitTorrent on Mac OS X & Windows: http://bittorrent.com/

Haven't used the Windows version, but someone else out here might be able to recommend a better client.

Basically, download the torrent file (small file)...open it with the client & the file will magically start to appear on your computer, pieced together from other people with that file.
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Postby Diane on Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:51 am

no fair adding the links AFTER I ask the dumb question! :-P
Thanks for the links.
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Postby Diane on Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:03 pm

I think Tucker Carlson's bowtie was tied all the way down to his knees, he was so uptight. Man. Jon Stewart is my hero.
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Postby hepcat02 on Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:25 pm

I just watched the video, and would like to say at the outset that it was the first time I have ever seen Mr. Stewart anywhere, except for maybe a couple of TV commercials. So I really don’t have anything to compare his performance against except maybe the Salon article.

Anyway, while Mr. Stewart was refreshingly direct with his answers, we have to remember that in going after “Crossfire,” he was going after a pretty easy target. True, he did take on journalists and politicians in general and accuse them of presenting “theater” instead of genuine debate and analysis to the public. But on that note, I have some news for Mr. Stewart: American politics has always been about theater. It was in the 19th and 20th centuries and likely will be throughout the 21st. As tawdry as this campaign has been, it really isn’t anything new.

That leads to the second flaw in his analysis: If Mr. Stewart (or anyone else in America) doesn’t like Crossfire’s brand of political theater, he can always just turn it off. Bad political talk shows may garner undue attention, but they cannot prevent more serious political discourse in the form of books, magazines, and even a few other TV shows from reaching the marketplace of ideas. These materials are more readily available to a wider segment of the public than they have ever been.

On the other hand, I really appreciated Stewart’s blunt dismissal of the lawsuit against Bill O’Reilly and the mini scandal about when John Kerry was in Cambodia. He seemed to realize that there are way more important things right now that we should be spending time discussing.

Overall, it was an interesting clip to watch and was enough to make me want to watch his show a couple times to see what it’s like.

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Postby SwinginVixenLily on Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:16 pm

also at:
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(click the 200k link, unless you're a subscriber)

pure hilarity
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Postby Alex on Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:00 am

SwinginVixenLily wrote:pure hilarity


Agreed...and pure genius.
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Postby DCTom on Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:34 am

Alex wrote:
SwinginVixenLily wrote:pure hilarity


Agreed...and pure genius.

Hey, we agree!
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Postby Alex on Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:45 am

DCTom wrote:
Alex wrote:
SwinginVixenLily wrote:pure hilarity


Agreed...and pure genius.

Hey, we agree!


Jerk. :wink:
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Postby SwinginVixenLily on Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:55 pm

Alex wrote:
DCTom wrote:
Alex wrote:
SwinginVixenLily wrote:pure hilarity


Agreed...and pure genius.

Hey, we agree!


Jerk. :wink:


i agree!

also at:
http://www.colettemarine.com/pers/image ... irelow.mov
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Postby DCTom on Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:07 pm

SwinginVixenLily wrote:
Alex wrote:
DCTom wrote:
Alex wrote:
SwinginVixenLily wrote:pure hilarity


Agreed...and pure genius.

Hey, we agree!


Jerk. :wink:


i agree!

also at:
http://www.colettemarine.com/pers/image ... irelow.mov

You agree I'm a jerk? Grrrr :evil:
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